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Dallas Perfect Poster


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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:19 pm Post subject: Barking madness |
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I just read the article about the Anti-Bark-Collar (the one on croftonline) and wanted to know your opinion about it.
I'm not sure if I would use one, and definitely not for the whole time cuz it's just natural for a dog to bark.
So what do you think?
is it a good way to stop your dog from barking excessively? |
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Blustag Moderator


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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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If the collar is an electric collar then please DO NOT use one. They should only ever be used 'if at all' by very experienced trainers. If it is a spray collar then I personally dont think it would work. It would be better to use proper control methods and teach your dog not to bark and save your money. |
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Dallas Perfect Poster


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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'd never use an electric collar even if I were a trainer.
It's a spray collar, that's why I'm not sure if they would work at all, I just can't imagine it ^^ |
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Tamaddict Tamtastic


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Blustag Moderator


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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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They are generally citronella sprays and my dogs would just ignore that altogether |
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arianwenarie Totally Tamific


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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:44 am Post subject: |
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While those collars might work, I classify these types of collars (spray, electric, choke, prong) as negative reinforcement collars. They are meant to give the dog a bad experience and teach them their particular behavior(s) are not OK. I feel that while at times the owner might have trouble getting the dog's attention when it's barking or doing something else the owner does not like or will not tolerate, the owner has to be more stubborn than the dog and show their dog a certain behavior isn't acceptable.
Since we're on the subject of barking, my sister's recently adopted dog is starting to bark and growl at moving objects such as cyclists, lawnmowers and kids on skateboards - anything that moves faster than a walking person/dog - in excitement. Often times, she is on a leash when in an uncontrolled environment, so we give a quick, short tug on her leash (regular leash attached to a regular collar) and tell her "No!" at the same time. Usually, she listens, but when there are multiple (more than 3) distractions at the same time, it takes a bit more effort - we have to match the intensity she is directing towards the "targets" or be more intense than her in our correction. If she insists on barking and growling, we don't take her out of the environment completely. We pull her away from where she's standing and make her walk a few steps in a different direction in an attempt to redirect her attention or stand in front of her to block her view repeatedly until she looks at her handler - if she barks/growls, we correct her and repeat the process (going in different directions each time) until she understands she is not allowed to bark or growl. Every time she starts = a few paces + correction. After 3 minutes of this, she accepts and sits quietly to watch. From observation, I saw that our dog doesn't react well to overly harsh corrections - she ignores us, but if we give her just the right intensity of a correction, she will listen and stop whatever she's doing.
Of course, this is what works for us and our dog. Just find out what works for you and if you feel that you can't handle it, seek professional help. But try your best to avoid any negative reinforcement options until you've exhausted all options available. I know I wasn't of much help with my little story, but I hope this helped at least a bit - if only for entertainment purposes. lol.[/i] _________________ ~Arie
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Karen Tamtastic


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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Not to judge you... But you are talking about collars being a negative reinforcement and one sentence later ou are giving the dog a quick short tug on the leash  Exactly the same, but than you find it ok.
Why don't you try to go to a training to learn the dog that there is nothing to be scared of in cars, cyclists or what ever and try to get the dog to ignore it by turning his attention towards you in a positive way?
Maybe the way you are using right now is the only way for your dog, but just realize it is the same thing it works the same as a collar.
I am not for collars.... But there are some situations that even I think it could be the trick. Even tho I HATE the electric ones.
Heyoka barks to get me to let her inside the house. There is no way I can stop it without showing my face, and that is exactly what she wants. So, we must find a way to correct her without any person being involved.
Anyone a suggestion?  _________________
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Sylvaen Moderator


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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| Karen wrote: | I am not for collars.... But there are some situations that even I think it could be the trick. Even tho I HATE the electric ones.
Heyoka barks to get me to let her inside the house. There is no way I can stop it without showing my face, and that is exactly what she wants. So, we must find a way to correct her without any person being involved.
Anyone a suggestion?  |
Take a photo of your face with a good camera and print out a life-size copy. Cut it out and paste it on some cardboard, attach it to a stick at the bottom. Then tuck the cardboard face so it's behind the curtain, facing the window. Connect the stick to a sound sensor mechanism, so every time she barks the face will peek out from behind the curtain... hahahahaha
It might work...  _________________
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Karen Tamtastic


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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| blufawn wrote: | I tried to spray lemon juice at my barking Deerhound using a squirt bottle instead of the collar.
I would hide around the corner and when she started to bark I would pop out, shout no and give her a squirt.
It didn't work! |
haha!
But I can't get to her without actually opening the door...  _________________
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Blustag Moderator


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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Hose pipe from upstairs window might do the trick, or fire extingisher haha depending on how mad your feeling haha! |
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Karen Tamtastic


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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:08 am Post subject: |
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Know them... But that is not an option for here cause the door ends up in the kitchen... Our front door and backdoor are one.
Is she can get into the kitchen she plunder it completely!
I just want her to keep her big mouth shut when I sent her outside!!!
 She comes back within 3 minutes and commands to be let in! _________________
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe when she is barking to come in you fling the door open and rush at her screeming and firing the fire extinguisher and chase her up the garden with it???? do you think this would work haha!!! May scare half the neighbours and the rest of your dogs though haha! BUT, would she try it again haha!!!
and before anyone asks 'NO' I havnt tried this before lol! |
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arianwenarie Totally Tamific


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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Karen wrote: | Not to judge you... But you are talking about collars being a negative reinforcement and one sentence later ou are giving the dog a quick short tug on the leash Exactly the same, but than you find it ok.
Why don't you try to go to a training to learn the dog that there is nothing to be scared of in cars, cyclists or what ever and try to get the dog to ignore it by turning his attention towards you in a positive way?
Maybe the way you are using right now is the only way for your dog, but just realize it is the same thing it works the same as a collar.  |
LOL! I didn't even realize it until you pointed it out! We'll try to get her attention by tapping her on the shoulder instead then. She just needs a light physical touch because sometimes, she doesn't hear us when she's already excited. At least we know what sets her off, so we can keep watch for those situations and try to get her attention before she starts. Haha.
I don't think she's scared of quickly moving objects. Her tail is parallel to the floor and wagging slowly. But then again, I could be reading her body language completely wrong.
| Karen wrote: | I am not for collars.... But there are some situations that even I think it could be the trick. Even tho I HATE the electric ones.
Heyoka barks to get me to let her inside the house. There is no way I can stop it without showing my face, and that is exactly what she wants. So, we must find a way to correct her without any person being involved.
Anyone a suggestion?  |
I have seen someone tie a cow bell on their porch swing and train the dog to ring the bell by licking it to "ask" to be let in. However, this dog would just sit at the door until someone in the house noticed him and let him in. I don't know if this will work, but is it worth a try? XD Here's a link to the article: Only registered users can see links on this forum! Register or Login on forum! | It's not really an article, more like a blog post. lol. _________________ ~Arie
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arianwenarie Totally Tamific


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| Blustag wrote: | Maybe when she is barking to come in you fling the door open and rush at her screeming and firing the fire extinguisher and chase her up the garden with it???? do you think this would work haha!!! May scare half the neighbours and the rest of your dogs though haha! BUT, would she try it again haha!!!
and before anyone asks 'NO' I havnt tried this before lol! |
HAHAHAHAHA! This is hilarious. It might work. This seems similar to what some trainers do to discourage dogs from counter surfing - they string up some empty coke cans and put rocks or any hard objects in the cans while attaching a piece of ham or treat to the end of the string and dangling off the counter as "bait". Personally, I wouldn't want to do this for a shy/timid/fearful dog. But for others, if it works, great! lol. _________________ ~Arie
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Karen Tamtastic


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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| arianwenarie wrote: | | Blustag wrote: | Maybe when she is barking to come in you fling the door open and rush at her screeming and firing the fire extinguisher and chase her up the garden with it???? do you think this would work haha!!! May scare half the neighbours and the rest of your dogs though haha! BUT, would she try it again haha!!!
and before anyone asks 'NO' I havnt tried this before lol! |
HAHAHAHAHA! This is hilarious. It might work. This seems similar to what some trainers do to discourage dogs from counter surfing - they string up some empty coke cans and put rocks or any hard objects in the cans while attaching a piece of ham or treat to the end of the string and dangling off the counter as "bait". Personally, I wouldn't want to do this for a shy/timid/fearful dog. But for others, if it works, great! lol. |
Heyoka is everything BUT shy/timid/fearful...
But tried things like this... To really scare the creeps out of her and then close the door again...
Nope..Doesn't work
Can try to learn her to tap a bell...everything better than that stupid barking! _________________
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arianwenarie Totally Tamific


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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Karen wrote: | Heyoka is everything BUT shy/timid/fearful...
But tried things like this... To really scare the creeps out of her and then close the door again...
Nope..Doesn't work
Can try to learn her to tap a bell...everything better than that stupid barking! |
Hmm...a non-shy/timid/fearful dog can have it's disadvantages. lol. I guess when you're teaching her to paw at the bell, make sure she's only pawing at the bell and nothing else - you wouldn't want her to scratch up anything in the process. Or you might even train her to simply lick or nose the bell so that it rings. _________________ ~Arie
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