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Tamaskan's, Arctics and Human attitudes

 
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DJNickUK
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:52 pm    Post subject: Tamaskan's, Arctics and Human attitudes Reply with quote

Hey folks.

Well I thought I would pose this question / thread for people to add to.

I have noticed more and more very negitive attitude towards the Arctic Breeds.

I recently found a local dog park, but got promptly kicked out, (Diesel on lead and best behaved in there) with folkd pointing at the sign that says All dogs except Huskies and Malamutes. I explained he was a Tamaskan and on that I shall leave and pointed out how badly behaved most dogs in the park were.

I have had another person come up to me and say that all dogs like mine should be destroyed. I couldn't believe it. I think some one on here has had a similar experiance?

We are not welcome up one local park as it is terrorised by a very moody husky - owner just parks up and sits in the car and lets the husky chase all the otehr dogs - this gives us bad names.

But the thing that annoys me the most is that people see the dog and instantly think he is badly / untrained (although he is at heal with no distracting from anything) and or think I am some kind of idiot and feel they have to point really obvious things out.

Prime example is the Beech. We have an area of beech which is closed to dogs between certain times of the year. This is no problems as we walk (on lead) along the prominade.

But several times people have felt the need to come up and tell me in a smarmy way that dogs are not allowed on the beech. I explain the diferences between the prom and the beech and they then get all funny and say thats what they meant. When asked why they feel they had to infrom me of this very obvious info when I was clearly avoiding the beech, they state its because of the type of dog I have. And most of these people I find are dog owners them selfs, terriors (the worst dogs we have come across yet). The amount of Terriors that come and attack Diesel when he is on lead and they off lead amazes me.

Sorry this seams a little rant like, but please feel free to add you positive and negitive thoughts on this.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You poor things, I can't believe people can discriminate so wildly. We may just be lucky but we have never have had any negative response about Tala, in fact just the opposite, everybody we meet seems to love her and is very interested in learning about the breed.

I hope we never experience the unfortunate incidents that you and Diesel have, he is such a well behaved dog, much more so than Tala!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So sorry to hear of your experiences. We live up in a Dog Sledding area so lots of people have artic dogs. I have yet to see a badly behaved or not under controlled artic dog here. I wish I could say the same for terrior owners.

Maybe because they are small people don't find them as threatening however our previous dog Henry (Jack Russel/Tebitan Terrior x) bit a postman and 3 dogs in his life . So terriors can be even more dangerous if not under control especially as they have been bred to hunt small animals and not just to pull sleds.

It is the owners who make the dog as I'm sure we all know. I did not train Henry very well and he was not socialised so I paid the price by having a badly behaved monster. As a result have spent alot of time with Bob and Luna Bear and they are just super.

It is a pity people don't look into dog owning more responsibly and that includes the ones who feel it neccessery to criticise others like yourself.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a nasty experience which I posted about last week when a guy kicked my dog. He made some sweeping statement about "those sorts of dogs!!!"
Apart from that nasty man, I have always had a positive reaction about Dashka and most people cant believe how calm she is. I normally walk up a local hill and now know most of the regulars. One old lady with 3 little westies always talks to me and told me she was petrified of huskies as there is a nasty one, which roams the hill. I have never come across this dog I hasten to add.
She said that until she met Dashka she thought all 'these sorts of dogs' were aggressive and nasty. So I do think there is some common preconception that arctic breeds are nasty. No idea why though!!
On the positive side the more people meet and learn from our dogs the more we can hopefully change those views!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear y'all aren't able to enjoy a dog park after searching for one, Nick. Sad

While I didn't have a dog at the time I met up Charlyn and Bob at a dog park (it was a mutual meeting spot, distance-wise) in Texas back in December to see their two lovely Tamaskans, I do remember one particular dog that was running amuck in the large dog section of the dog park where we were chatting away. Hannibal and Tala (the Tamaskans) were on leash and very well behaved - extremely calm during the entire 30 minutes we were standing around. A brindle colored "pit bull" or a breed that resembled one was covered in mud from splashing around in the open pool they had in there and running around in the more-dirt-than-there-is-grass park. He bothered many people who were socializing in the park and the owner was nowhere to be found so that we could ask him to take control of his dog. I didn't expect to come home 100% clean from the meeting, but then again, I didn't expect to come home with my jeans covered 80% in dried mud either. Sad

Some dog parks, in my opinion, aren't worth going to if not all the dogs are well-behaved. I found that my local park that actually does not allow dogs to run around off-leash have much more well-behaved dogs than the actual dog park. Yes, people socialize, but the people who do socialize with other people, keep their dogs next to them (or in their lap) while dogs who are playing off-leash are monitored at all times by their owners. And crazy as it sounds, no dogs jump into the ponds filled with fish and turtles at my local park. Haha.

I hope you guys can find a dog park that both of you can enjoy and feel accepted in. Good luck! Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never noticed any negative attitudes toward artic breeds here in the States, so this may be more of a European thing. However, the positive attidues I've seen toward arctic breeds may simply be due to the fact that I live in Washington state and our largest university's mascot is a husky (go Dawgs!).

Pitbulls and rottis seem to have picked up the worst reputations here.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear Nick. Ive never come across any negativity when out with my dogs. They are always a crowd puller and everyone always wants to come over and stroke them and chat.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't think it is an "European thing" actually...
Al sorts of breeds get comments like this. Bouvier, stafford, rottweilers, shepherds....And yes...All the arctic breeds or wolflike-types.

Most of the time people are just interested, want to know more or cuddle them. Sometimes people get scared of them and once every while you get aggression. Sometimes from people who are just scared of dogs and a bit more of these breeds, sometimes from other dog owners who are scared for their dogs. But I think they would not react any differently to a rottie or whatever.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey guys.

Yeah I would say this negitivity towards the arctics is local to us. There does seam to be some really bad owners who have allowed thier dogs to tarnish the whole arctic selections.

It was really that one park that actually bans arctics that made me post this thread and perhaps pick up on the negs more than I should.

I must say that 95 % of the time we get mobbed. For eg, today we were letting a load of people cross a field full of cows as they were reactimg badly to Diesel. We were other side of the cows fence but didnt want him to cause a stampede and injure people. So once they had all cleared the cows they came over to say hi, and luckily I was waring my Tamaskan Golf shirt and I remembered my pen and paper so we did lots of networking and Diesel got lots of fuss. Must have been chatting for a good hour as we were all burnt afterwards, LOL.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talking of cows... Dont anyone EVER enter a field of cows with a dog/pup or whatever. It is highly dangerous and many people have been killed. Just this week a vet who was top of her field got killed walking her two dogs along the edge of a field when the cows stampeded towards the dogs and killed her. The dogs were found close by unharmed. I have had several run ins with cows when out riding my horses. They come storming over and scare the horses half to death. Please be warned whatever country you live in. They are especially dangerous too when they have calves with them but even without are still very dangerous when you have a dog with you.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could well be talking about my area of manchester hun!
Lately Amber is no longer just the 'wolf' of our town but apprently now a bad tempered killer.....
A month ago The terrier next door small grumpy and human and dog aggressive got hold of her she turns to retaliate scrathches her side and returns head down crawling on belly when I shout her back.
I pay £133 for the emergency vet to send them home saying it is a scratch and they really shouldn't be allowing their dog to pee and poo in my dogs garden each morning as it is Ambers' territory and then hey presto word gets round she is a big bad malamute.....
Funny that as the 12 schools we have so far visited in our education program along with nursing homes and support groups for cynophobia may think different. Unfotunatley the majority of folk with smaller dogs have small man syndrome themselves I find rise above it my friend message me anytime u wanna moan lol x
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. I can't believe some people. There are a lot of apts in the states that don't allow huskies for what ever reason. They're often on the banned breed list along with rotties and pits and such. Usually any dog over 50-75 lbs. Now that I've moved to IN I keep hearing about how pits are from the devil. They're the new rock music apparently. Everybody has to have one and no one wants to raise them right. You get one bad dog and it spoils the reputation of the whole breed. Its sad really. Though I never had any problems with my brother's dog, Whisper, who's likely a pure husky. Or close enough anyways. Had people say she was creepy for her blue eyes and that she doesn't bark but everyone always agreed that she was a good dog. I hope the people who say such bad things about your dogs are in the minority.

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