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michaelD Perfect Poster


Joined: 12 Jan 2009 Posts: 87 Location: finskburg, maryland
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:47 pm Post subject: Wyatt update |
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We posted the information about Wyatt's intussusception last month earlier.
While, the explanation for how I came to determine Wyatt's problem is very long, and probably not too interesting, I have determined, to a fairly high degree of certainty that Wyatt is allergic to grains.
It was an expensive lesson, both for our bank account and for Wyatt's intestines, but I believe that this was the cause of his constant bouts with diarrhea, and intestinal problems. We're only about 12 hours into this realization, but already he's shown improvement by not having any grain in that time.
I'm curious if anyone else's Tamaskan has had a similar issue? Or perhaps if anyone else's dog has a problem with diarrhea, gas, itchiness, and gurgling stomach, have you considered this possibility?
No vet was really able to accurately help with the issue, though I probably should have consulted more people, but through dumb-luck I was only able to determine that this was likely the cause of all of Wyatt's problems (He was only briefly on a grain-free diet, and for 2 weeks had no problems, but the food has a nasty preservative, so I did not continue to use it, and when I switched back to a grain food, Wyatt's problems resurfaced)
Cross your fingers for Wyatt.
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BirdDawg64 Junior


Joined: 17 Jan 2009 Posts: 24 Location: Seattle (US)
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Glad to hear that you may have identified the problem and that it will be something relatively easy to avoid going forward.
(Sookie has had a few bouts with diarrhea, but nothing constant and only episode was serious enough to have warranted a vet trip.) |
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arianwenarie Totally Tamific


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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Mike,
Glad to hear Wyatt is doing better. Sorry for your bank account though. Did y'all at least have pet insurance for him or are looking into it?
What diet is Wyatt on now? _________________ ~Arie
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DJNickUK Champion Chatter


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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Glad he is doing better.
I find Diesel is also a little intolerant to grains. So I have him on grain free and he now has proper stools every time and seams to be able to tolerate treats and things now.
I figured I would push the boat out and go for Orijen Large Breed Puppy food. About the best kibble in the world I would say. Its very expensive, but they need less. And the differences in overall health are massive. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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I have had a constant battle with Waves diarrhea since I brought him home. We have him on imodium 2x daily at the vets suggestion. Initially, the vet put him on anitbiotics since he had mucus in his stool w/constant straining....which is a sign of colitis? |
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arianwenarie Totally Tamific


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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| louloulane wrote: | | I have had a constant battle with Waves diarrhea since I brought him home. We have him on imodium 2x daily at the vets suggestion. Initially, the vet put him on anitbiotics since he had mucus in his stool w/constant straining....which is a sign of colitis? |
What diet is Wave on? Perhaps it's the food that's the source of all this..? Personally, I don't think the meds will do him good in the long run.  _________________ ~Arie
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reggie Junior


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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:18 am Post subject: |
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I haven't had these issues with my two, as I started them on a raw diet just about the day they got here. I have discovered, however, that Mikko has a bit of a sweet tooth. So he gets an occasional treat of dehydrated banana chips or dehydrated sweet potato and that seems to satisfy him. Haven't had any GI issues, though. _________________ Reggie
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coyotegyrl Champion Chatter


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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Just because we're littermates with Wave, Wyatt and Sookie:
Freyja has not had diarrhea issues with "Grandma Mae's" puppy food. The only time she had diarrhea was when she got into a deer carcass for 2 minutes while off leash (led to diarrhea, fever, and disinterest in food for about a 36 hour period).
We are well on our way to begin raw feeding, however. Just need to gather our ingredients and away we go...
I have read in more than one source that raw feeding is either the same price or cheaper than kibble. So why not? If it's better for the dog... I know, I know...it does take time  But--these are my only 'kids' -- haha! _________________ __________________
T.A. Graziano
Hawthorne Tamaskan
Pennsylvania, USA
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arianwenarie Totally Tamific


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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| coyotegyrl wrote: | | We are well on our way to begin raw feeding, however. Just need to gather our ingredients and away we go... |
Cool. Let us know how it goes.  _________________ ~Arie
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michaelD Perfect Poster


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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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I have Wyatt on Evo Small Bites currently (he should probably get the Big Bites, but they didn't have the small bags of it, and I wanted to make sure he takes to it)
I would get Orijen, but Evo seems to be similar quality, and it's carried by my local small pet store, and Orijen isn't. And, mainly it's grain free.
A few days in, and he's doing much better, still soft stools, but no violent diarrhea... |
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louloulane Perfect Poster


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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| arianwenarie wrote: | | louloulane wrote: | | I have had a constant battle with Waves diarrhea since I brought him home. We have him on imodium 2x daily at the vets suggestion. Initially, the vet put him on anitbiotics since he had mucus in his stool w/constant straining....which is a sign of colitis? |
What diet is Wave on? Perhaps it's the food that's the source of all this..? Personally, I don't think the meds will do him good in the long run.  |
Wave was on Iam's Large Breed Puppy Food. I am in the process of changing him over to Taste of The Wild dog food for all life stages. Its grain-free and for all ages. I am hoping that this will eliminate his diarrhea once & for all. |
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arianwenarie Totally Tamific


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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| louloulane wrote: | | Wave was on Iam's Large Breed Puppy Food. I am in the process of changing him over to Taste of The Wild dog food for all life stages. Its grain-free and for all ages. I am hoping that this will eliminate his diarrhea once & for all. |
Good that you're switching him to a grain-free diet. Keep us updated on how Wave does on ToTW.  _________________ ~Arie
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Joined: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 1233 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:55 am Post subject: |
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Im finding this a very interesting topic. I have just had a mail from a lady with one of my dogs over in Finland. He is now 3 yrs and is allergic to eggs of all things. I think that some of them are allergic to certain foods and now would be a good time to keep a record, so if anyone can give us information it would be welcomed. Mail Jenny at TDR. |
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louloulane Perfect Poster


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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:07 am Post subject: |
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I am absolutely AMAZED at the difference with Wave on his new diet of Taste of the Wild dog food!
I know most dogs get loose stool over changing their diets........Wave did the exact opposite. He has had diarrhea for a loooong time and he is only 23wks old.
I am so way excited that he is off of immodium & NO diarrhea!!!!!! Yippeee yeaaaaaaaaa for my precious Wave!
I do not want to even recant my journey with Wave & his bowel problems. Oh my goodness, it was hell for sure! The smell sometimes was enough to bring the dead back to life..............
Obviously, my Wave has some problem with grain? Or something like that in dog food? Doesn't matter, the past is the past, and we now know he is going to have grain free food for life  He can not eat is food fast enough either...........I love it. I know he likes the taste & I know its what his body needs.
Firm stool too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am just over the moon..................please excuse my behavior! |
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:28 am Post subject: |
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That's great news!! I'm SO happy for you and most of all, for Wave! YAY! _________________ ~Arie
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Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Posts: 205 Location: North Carolina, USA
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: |
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I am pleased to hear Wyatt and Wave are doing much better after changing their diet. This really does boggle me as Kana'Ti being a littermate has not had any problems with the kibble she is on. Tundra, Blaze, and Kana'Ti all eat the same kibble with no problems. On occiasion Kana til get hold of something in the back yard either a lizzard, toad, or who know what and she will have about a days worth of diarhea but then its over. No other owners of the litter has contacted me with simular issues. Best of luck to Wyatt and Wave. _________________ John
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michaelD Perfect Poster


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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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It's good to hear Wave is doing well on grain-free!
I know what you mean about the smell....uggg |
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How funny is it that a nice poo could make us sooo happy! _________________ You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you a look that says, 'Wow, you're right! I never would've thought of that!' |
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DJNickUK Champion Chatter


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brynne_carra Junior


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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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This is a very interesting topic to me! I have a Rough Collie who often is very itchy, has on-and-off loose stools and runny eyes, and definitely a gurling stomach. He seems very sensitive in general to any change in diet, or if he gets table scraps or leftovers it almost always causes problems. The vet told me it might be allergies and we tried a bag of supposedly "allergy free" food - but it didn't make that much of a difference. I think it was Duck and Oat.
Jasper symptoms come and go but they are here right now and I am definitely going to try grain-free. I'm really glad to hear it is working for others. Hopefully it will for us as well! |
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michaelD Perfect Poster


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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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I would definitely give some grain free a try. A little bit of pepto bismol could also help with the transition, I know it did for Wyatt.
Vet's suggest the 'allergy-free' foods, but usually they are just limited ingredients. But, if your dog has an allergy to one of these ingredients, it's not really going to make things better. They also often suggest rice, but again, not good with a grain allergy. Wyatt really loves raw potatoes too, and they also seemed to help sure him up during the transition.
I think in general, Wyatt has a very sensitive digestive system as it is. Even if he gets a bit of raw veggies, or maybe an occasional bit of raw or cooked meat, it does sometime cause him problems. Really, if he gets anything outside of his kibble, there is a little bit of a disturbance, but usually not bad at all.
Wyatt is also definitely less itchy since the switch, and no more gurgling stomach, which he had big time. Also, take note of what your dog gets to chew on. Bones, rawhides? I was all about the deer antlers for a while, they were great chews for Wyatt, and they really dulled down his teeth, and kept them very clean, but they caused major problems for him, after jut a few days. Even though he could only ingest a tiny bit at a time, just want he could gnaw of in a tiny shaving or whatever because they don't really break. Rope toys also, Wyatt would eat the tiny threads of rope, and they also were doing somethings to his system that it didn't seem to like....Now he only gets toys that he can in no way ingest even the smallest of particles
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